Is Jimmy Carter Letting Democratic Voters Down?

Is Jimmy Carter Letting Democratic Voters Down??
Posted on April 15, 2008 by GRL

On Monday (April 14) I caught a brief comment by Jimmy Carter about the Nepal elections on the BBC World Service. Carter, who was in Nepal to monitor the polling, said that whatever problems occurred had "paled" compared to the overall success of the vote. (Unfortunately, the audio report is no longer available.)

In a report issued on April 15 entitled Trip Report by Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter to Nepal: April 6-14, 2008, Carter wrote in great detail about all the efforts made to ensure a free and fair election.

   <We have maintained a staff of long-term election observers for more than fifteen months. They have visited all 75 districts and had an opportunity to become familiar with the entire nation and its various and conflicting political factions.</p>

   After our arrival from Atlanta, we joined Dr. John Hardman and began receiving extensive briefings from former U.S Ambassador Peter Burleigh, David Pottie, Darren Nance, Sarah Levit-Shore, and others. Most of our 60 international observers, from 21 nations, had been deployed to the more remote areas by helicopter, all-terrain vehicles, and by foot. My co-chairman was Dr. Surakiart Sathirathai, former deputy prime minister of Thailand, who was a key partner and essential to the mission's success. Our team was joined by international observers from the European Union, Asian Network for Free Elections (ANFREL), and by several thousand domestic observers. ...

   On election day we visited as many polling sites as possible in the valley that surrounds Kathmandu and found the election commission's procedures were being largely followed. There were long and separate lines of men and women in a celebratory mood, the total turnout being above 60 percent. Despite some problems, our observers throughout the nation found the same situation among a total of 400 sites visited. Ballot boxes were required to be delivered to 75 central locations for counting, and we observed a number of these procedures.>

Impressive, no?

But how does this square with Carter's silence on the Florida and Michigan primary situation?? Well, he hasn't been TOTALLY silent, because in early April he tossed out a tantalizing hint as to whom he supported while in Nigeria:

   <Former President Carter hints at Obama support</p>

   WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former President Carter wouldn't quite say it, but he left little doubt this week about whom he'd like to see in the White House next year.

   Speaking to local reporters Wednesday on a trip to Nigeria, the former Democratic president noted that Barack Obama had won his home state of Georgia and his hometown of Plains.

   "My children and their spouses are pro-Obama. My grandchildren are also pro-Obama," he said at a news conference, according to the Nigerian newspaper This Day. "As a superdelegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for, but I leave you to make that guess."

   Carter's spokeswoman confirmed the remarks.>

Now, of course, Carter offers a perfectly good reason to support Obama since the latter won the Georgia contest; Carter can justifiably claim that he is supporting the will of the voters in his home state.

But that support does NOT explain why he has been silent on the issue of the voters of Michigan and Florida being disenfranchised.  Isn't it ironic that a man who has dedicated himself to monitoring 70 elections has nothing to say about what's been going on during his own party's primary season?

This is the same man who, along with the late Gerald Ford,  headed a blue-ribbon commission following the 2000 election and followed up in September 2004 with a Washington Post op-ed entitled Still Seeking a Fair Florida Vote in which he pointed out that many of the elements of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 which  resulted from the commission findings were not being carried out either because of funding shortfalls or political games.

The question is, why has Jimmy Carter chosen to remain silent now, while Florida (and Michigan) voters are AGAIN being given short-shrift?  Why is Carter not publicly calling for these votes to be counted?

It certainly is within his rights to choose to support Obama...but it seems that this support is TRUMPING the rights of voters in Florida and Michigan.

While it is inspiring to read about the care and planning that the Carter Center has expended on the voting process in Nepal, why can't Democratic voters expect the same attention?  Doesn't voting in Florida and Michigan carry as much value as a vote in Nepal??  Is Jimmy Carter letting us down?

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Re: Is Jimmy Carter Letting Democratic Voters Down (2.00 / 2)

Jimmy Carter is a GREAT man. He was hampered by a horrible economy but he is without a doubt the most honest and most moral man to ever hold the white house.

And he has proven his moral and honesty time and time again in his years since 1980.

He is to be one of the most honored and respected elders in our party.


by Cheebs on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 09:56:58 PM EST

Re: Is Jimmy Carter (2.00 / 1)

Why is Carter not publicly calling for these votes to be counted?
I can't speak for President Carter; but from my observations of his commitments and causes; I hypothesize that he knows those two elections were not free and fair elections indicative of the will of their respective populations.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:00:01 PM EST

So (none / 0)

why no re-vote? Although thats a question for Obama, not Carter.
by linc on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:08:13 PM EST
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Re: So (2.00 / 1)

Because the states, being the ones who screwed up, should be the ones to foot the bill for it, not the DNC. They couldn't come up with a good way to pay the bills, so no revote. Blame them.


by Jaffee on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:12:46 PM EST
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Independent donors (none / 0)

offered to foot the bill. So, lets punish the voters in FL and MI because 1. their politicians might or might not have screwed up and 2. because we can't pay for it in the right way?

anything to win indeed.
by linc on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:15:22 PM EST
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Re: Independent donors (2.00 / 1)

Correction - Hillary Clinton's donors offered to pay for a re-vote that is generally perceived to favor her.  Tell me how that's not outright vote buying.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:17:44 PM EST
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Ah, I see. (none / 0)

You think FL and MI voters are stupid! I really doubt MI and FL voters would be so influenced by Corzine. Besides, the idea was to have half the money come from Clinton supporters and half from Obama supporters- all Obama would have had to do is say yes, and it would have happened.
Stop playing around. Obama block the revotes. plain and simple.
by linc on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:25:25 PM EST
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Re: Ah, I see. (none / 0)

Even giving your assertion the benefit of the doubt, how is blowing 20 or 30 million on a primary remotely intelligent when that money will be needed to fight McCain?  Or do you simply advocate such a waste of campaign resources?  I'll be damned if I'd piss that kind of money away.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:29:16 PM EST
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Re: Ah, I see. (none / 0)

So in other words, you support the disenfranchisement of over 2 million people.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01:31 PM EST
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Re: Ah, I see. (2.00 / 2)

I don't like having to call you out like this, but this is standard Republican practice, oversimplifying things and losing important details. I'd like to think we're all above such terrible tactics.


by Jaffee on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:13:55 PM EST
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Re: Ah, I see. (none / 0)

And you're doing just what the repugs are doing in 2008.  Distraction, division, dishonesty.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:22:53 AM EST
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Re: Ah, I see. (2.00 / 1)

Quite the contrary.  I'm all for state party officials conducting their nominee selection process according to the rules under which they agreed to operate.  Now, if you have a proposal that could fairly conduct a re-vote in MI, I'd love to hear it.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:17:32 PM EST
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Re: hypocra- I see. (none / 0)

You're big on accusations but short on specifics.  I'm dead serious - under what structure would you propose a re-vote in MI that would not disenfranchise people who have a right to vote in that primary?  


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:20:53 AM EST
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Generally perceived? (none / 0)

By whom?  Got a link?

The plain fact is that the donors put the money up-front and said it could be used to finance any Presidential primary election the Michigan legislature enacted.  The letter they wrote go MI Gov. Granholm was a binding contractual offer, and it was made available to the public.

So if you are in fact correct that it was "generally perceived" that they would only pay for a re-vote that would favor her, that's only because the media has been so in the tank for Obama that in every case issues are "generally perceived" in ways favorable to hsi candidacy.  It has nothing at all to do with fact.

Obama was certainly most very welcome to ask his donors to contribute.  As for Clinton, I'm not sure what else whe could've done beyond rounding up folks to pay for any election scheme the legislature would enact.


by Trickster on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:59:05 AM EST
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Re: Independent donors (2.00 / 1)

I don't see how you're drawing conclusion 1 from the fact that independent donors offered to foot the bill. If anything, it makes it sound like the politicians screwed up even more, what with private donors having to fix things. And conclusion 2, I'm guessing means that state law prohibits private donors from financing primaries? I'm not familiar with the laws in either state, but if that's the case, well again, big time screw-up on the heads of the politicians.

I don't agree with the reply above that private donors financing a revote makes it look like vote buying for Clinton, so as far as I'm concerned, if they can raise the money to redo the primaries, go right ahead. But they haven't, doesn't look like they will, and they've been more content bitching and moaning that the DNC aren't showing leadership by not helping pay the bills or disenfranchising them or whatever when they made damn clear back in '07 that this would happen if they stuck to their guns.

So yeah, I can't say I have any sympathy for the leaders in those state parties.


by Jaffee on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:26:31 PM EST
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It's not up to Obama at all. (2.00 / 1)

Obama does not authorize or organize elections in either state.  It's a question for each state's respective legislative body and the DNC.  It's disingenuous to suggest it's Obama who is blocking any process when he's clearly agreed to any contest sanctioned by the DNC.

I'm less familiar with FL; but I'm confident in saying that a fair re-vote in MI is impossible.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:14:11 PM EST
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Bullshit. (none / 0)

Obama and his supporters in both states blocked the revotes. You and everyone paying attention knows this. If you don't believe me, call Congressman Wexler and ask how hard he pushed to have a revote in FL?
The only reason why Obama and his supporters keep pushing this crap is because they know he would lose both states.
by linc on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:17:18 PM EST
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Re: Bullshit. (2.00 / 1)

Bullshit yourself.  Scheduling, financing, and sanctioning elections is a complicated process in which numerous factors must be aligned.  Tell me how Obama actively blocked either election as you assert.   Then tell me how MI could possibly have a fair re-vote under any circumstances without disenfranchising someone.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:21:09 PM EST
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Re: Bullshit. (none / 0)

Dont just tell us.. I want proof... I see accusations with no proof


by CaptMorgan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:12:21 PM EST
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Re: Bullshit. (none / 0)

Yeah, because all of those second- and third-hand reports say so.


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:50:41 PM EST
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Re: Is Jimmy Carter (2.00 / 1)

But...that makes too much sense!

Seriously, it seems like the only people who really think the elections were fair are Clinton supporters. Nobody would be complaining if Michigan and Florida followed the rules, or if a serious effort to change the rules before the primaries began happened. But as it stands, it's plain as day that those elections were borked, and shouldn't be counted. And yes, I do believe Carter would agree with that assessment.


by Jaffee on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:11:44 PM EST
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Re: Is Jimmy Carter Letting (2.00 / 1)

Sadly the initial votes in Florida and Michigan did not meet election standards for anywhere in the world.  And, it is too complicated for revotes to take place.  So, everyone is in a hard lot on it.  My guess, though, is that the delegations get sat as-is after Obama has enough Supers to cover their votes, and Clinton has dropped out.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:05:57 PM EST

Re: Is Jimmy Carter Letting (none / 0)

Good guess.

There will still be incredible blow back from the super delegates giving Obama the election against the majority of Dem party voters.


by DTaylor on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:36:41 PM EST
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Re: Is Jimmy Carter Letting (2.00 / 1)

Um.. except that's not going to happen.

HRC isn't going to win with or without florida

The best case hillary can hope for is for the votes in FL to be counted as is and the delegates split.

That puts here nowhere close


by CaptMorgan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:14:58 PM EST
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Re: by meeting with Hamas (2.00 / 1)

And so what?

Whats wrong with meeting with other people and places?

Jimmy Carter gets what George Bush never did. George Bush has proven Jimmy Carters foreign policy of peace (Israel and Egypt anyone?) was brilliant and should be the model for all future presidents.


by Cheebs on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:16:22 PM EST

Re: ffirst, I like Carter (none / 0)

Sorry, but by the looks of things, the Clintons have spoiled their well-feathered nest.  Time for the party to move on.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:55:39 AM EST
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Re: by meeting with Hamas (2.00 / 2)

He's made himself radioactive to Likudniks and NeoCons but they don't want peace anyway.


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:37:51 PM EST

That depends how you look at MI and FL (2.00 / 3)

The courts have ruled that political partyies are free to establish guidelines/rules for managing intraparty contests.  So, it's not entirely accurate to suggest that anyone's right to vote has been violated.  It's a party election, not a government election.

So, there's nothing that's really happened in MI or FL that is illegal or crooked.  People might not like it; they might strongly disagree with it, but the Democratic Party is allowed to set the rules to select their nominee(obviously, so long as they do not violate state/federal laws) and to mete out punishment when those rules are violated.  The Democratic Party isn't keeping anyone from voting in the Fall elections.

That's just my opinion.  But for those reasons, I don't think it's fair to lash out at Carter.  Nepal is just beginning its democracy; the matters they are concerned about and might face are a little more serious than our's.  I don't mean to belittle voters' rights; not at all.  In fact, I'm fairly certain that Carter has spoken up in recent years regarding "irregularities" with our elections.  It's simply that we are not talking about the same thing when we are discussing MI and FL.  Again, you might strongly disagree with that sentiment but with regards to the law, it is viewed as a matter for the Democratic Party to resolve.

As registered Democrats, we are certainly free to disagree with the rules and procedures of our party.  However, when we choose to disregard those rules and their consequences, we undermine the party; and when we undermine the party, we undermine all Democratic voters.

To fault Howard Dean or Obama for supporting the party's rules, which the Clinton campaign had also agreed to, is considerably unfair.  The point of establishing rules in the first place is to prevent one faction from trying to impose its will on another.  When factions such as the Obama camp and the Clinton camp have a disagreement or dispute with regards to the nominating process itself, the entire purpose of agreeing to the rules in the first place is so that there is something to guide a resolution.  If the Clinton camp disagreed with that, they should have spoken up much sooner.  Instead, Sen. Clinton was on record months ago, stating with some confidence, that the whole thing would be over by February 5th.

The point is, that there was a time and a process when and by which the Clinton camp could have and should have raised the matter of MI and FL.  It undermined it's purpose on that regard by failing to do so sooner.

And therin lie the incongruity of the Clinton camp's position on MI and FL - they did not speak up until it became politically expedient.  When the campaign beleived that there was no way they could possibly lose, that it would all be wrapped up on February 5th, they were conspicuously quiet.

Beyond that, it is hardly fair of them to blame the DNC, or any other Democratic leader, for standing by the rules of the party.


by jaywillie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:45:42 PM EST

Re: That depends how you look at MI and FL (2.00 / 1)

Obama blocked the revotes?

ok....keep dreaming.


by Democratic Unity on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:21:51 PM EST
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Re: Is Jimmy Carter Letting Democratic Voters Down (none / 0)

Let's just say that Jimmy Carter has never particularly cared for the Clintons - esp. Bill.


by johnnygunn on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:02:50 PM EST

Just listened to his book on audio. (none / 0)

He compliments Clinton for agreeing to allow him to work on one of the peace agreements he was brokering through his foundation.  I got the impression he wasn't crazy about Clinton's foreign policy stance in general though.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:21:57 AM EST
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it goes back to 1980 (2.00 / 1)

when the Mariel Boatlift occured under Carter, and Carter let them all stay in, they flocked to Arkansas, and cost Clinton re-election in 1980. but with the talent Clinton had, he came back in 1982.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:35:31 AM EST
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Carter's an incredible statesman, but... (2.00 / 3)

...let's not overrate his endorsements, tacit or otherwise.

As a former paid communications staffer on his '80 reelection campaign, the issues related to our economy, at the time, paled in comparison to "America Held Hostage, Day: 1,000,056," as Koppel, et al were conveying it on ABC at the time. At the time, very little else mattered as far as public perception and opinion was concerned. Having done more than 20 campaigns since 1980, I can honestly say that, to this day, I never felt as helpless as I did that year, in terms of being unable to affect the outcome of a campaign.

I was the campaign's field press secretary in--of all places--Detroit, in the general election.

Ayatollah Khomeini was the most valuable asset Ronald Reagan's campaign had. Period. End of story.

Pocketbook issues ran a very distant second as far as the public was concerned.

IMHO, since Carter's left office, he has been--without question--the best elder statesman the Democratic Party's had, certainly in my lifetime, if not in the past 100 years.

As a Jew and an avid Clinton supporter now, I can only say to others, say what you wish about Carter, but don't ever question this man's philosophical integrity.

As a Jew, I support almost everything the guy's said and done as far as his comments about Israel are concerned, even now. (And, I think a lot more Jews in this country, albeit ones that may not be speaking up as much now, agree with me and with Jimmy Carter, too.)

As a strong Clinton supporter, I have no qualms about anything Jimmy does as far as his endorsements are concerned. Frankly, this whole endorsement thing is waaaay overrated, at least in  terms of its actual effect upon public opinion.

Getting back to 2008, I can say that Carter would most certainly stay away from publicly interfering with the DNC's position on the matter, no matter what.

And, for the record, I strongly disagree with the DNC's position on this matter (seating the FL/MI delegates, and failing to support at least re-do's in those respective states, too) now, as well.

Like most truths about politics, there's a lot of grey areas to the issues I'm discussing here. But, reiterating one thought I mentioned in this comment, one thing's very clear: Jimmy Carter is the best elder statesman this Party's had in a very, very long time!

To say that Carter's integrity is beyond rapproach is, without a doubt, IMHO, one of the highest compliments one may bestow on someone in his profession.


by bobswern on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:19:47 PM EST

I have more respect for Carter (2.00 / 1)

than I can even describe.  What he has done since he left the White House is something all president's and former presidents should aspire to.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:24:00 AM EST
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No (none / 0)

On Stephanapolus on Sunday Jimmy Carter said his children and grandchildren are supporting Obama, however he and Rosalind have not decided yet and he would not endorse anyone until the primary elections are over.
He also reiterated that SD's are Independent voters according to the rules of the DNC.

As far as MI and FL, nobody asked him what he thought, but he certainly knows the DNC rules to take it before the Credentials Committee for a final decision on how or if to seat the delegates.

Our system sucks- but this will probably go to the convention and either way it will definately be decided by the super delegates who have the independent responsibility to give us an electable candidate for the GE.

BTW- Jimmy Carter has my deepest respect for all that he has done since he left office. I think by the time Bill Clinton reaches his age- he will have the same type of respect from both sides for his humanitarian work. I am proud that we dems can say that because I can't think of a rep ex pres that did much of anything for the country or the world except retire. Then we have Al Gore too. :)


by Justwords on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:56:58 AM EST


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